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Hello
fellow Residents of Promontory Point...
This is a community blog which was organized and dedicated to all that reside, or are considering living in Promontory Point.
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As you are aware by now, construction crews have landed on the East side to begin construction on a massive renovation project and additional plans for the West side are scheduled to begin next week.
Bottom line, East or West...this will have a major impact on your quality of life.
Whats ahead:
- New windows & doors throughout
- Earthquake retrofitting
- New exterior finishing & update
- Patio & deck sealing / re-sealing
- Estimated Projection for construction: Fall 2013 - Spring 2015
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All good things are built on a strong foundation however, at what cost? Although necessary; renovations on such a grand scale will be loud, dirty, intrusive and very inconvenient... the reality is, we have to understand these pounding, dirty nuisances are unavoidable but, are required in order to make long overdue improvements. 
In addition to the many obvious concerns, there are far more serious worries regarding health hazards such as asbestos and mold which are extremely toxic to humans and our family pets within the home.
Definition of "HOME?" Unlike most apartment associations which generally have a quick occupancy turn over, the demographic of Promontory Point includes a large population of long-term renters that have referred to this as their home for many years.
The fact is; the average resident has lived in Promontory for over 5 years and even up to 30 years. Not forgetting, a significant amount of those that have returned to Promontory throughout the years. If this isn't "home," what is?
Definition of "HOME?" Unlike most apartment associations which generally have a quick occupancy turn over, the demographic of Promontory Point includes a large population of long-term renters that have referred to this as their home for many years.
The fact is; the average resident has lived in Promontory for over 5 years and even up to 30 years. Not forgetting, a significant amount of those that have returned to Promontory throughout the years. If this isn't "home," what is?
We live in an unique community and, good or bad, some of these improvements have to be done and will be constructively positive in the long run. However, being that this massive project has already begun and although, resident input was not considered to be significant and disregarded, we can still come together and be heard.
As they say; "it takes a village." The Irvine Company has a lot to offer as far as apartment living goes. However, they failed to factor in the lifestyle and values into their grand plan. Let's come together and collaborate... remember, its not too late for the "residents" to speak up and make a valuable contribution to this project.
Ultimately, no one has the right to impose on holiday celebrations or infringe on home-based business operations without appropriate accommodation. Promontory is an enormous property and there are many areas the construction crews can be working on aside from our decks over the holidays!
Although we may consider Promontory Point as our home, it seems evident the Irvine Company regards our community as only a source of revenue and non-essential to the over-all scheme of things.
Bottom line, our community has simply been identified on a project chart as a "unit #" of the East or West side and our opinions are obsolete.
- Do we have rights and if so, what are they?
- Is "TENANT HABITABILITY" being observed?
- What is acceptable & unacceptable?
- Regarding earthquake retrofitting; what toxic dangers await when they open up interior walls in our homes
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Timing is of the essence...streamlined communication is imperative so these critical issues can be addressed with Promontory Point / Irvine Company as soon as possible.
Please keep in mind, our community Blog is also a good place to voice the "positive" and will be a valuable resource to offer helpful information to your fellow neighbors.
We look forward to hearing what "you" have to say and hope to unite as a community so we can ensure our voices are heard! This forum is available to everyone and was launched with the intention to promote effective communication.
Most importantly, the Blog can be used as a tool which will allow residents to coordinate and promote meetings so we may discuss issues that matter to you most.
Please keep in mind, our community Blog is also a good place to voice the "positive" and will be a valuable resource to offer helpful information to your fellow neighbors.
We look forward to hearing what "you" have to say and hope to unite as a community so we can ensure our voices are heard! This forum is available to everyone and was launched with the intention to promote effective communication.
Most importantly, the Blog can be used as a tool which will allow residents to coordinate and promote meetings so we may discuss issues that matter to you most.
Thank You,
Residents of Promontory
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*1st MEETING...
Date: SATURDAY, SEPT. 28
Time: 10am
Where? Clubhouse
*Dedicated to Maria & Nicco
I am so glad I heard about the blog...we live on the west side of PP and are very concerned about the upcoming construction. It has been really difficult to get straight answers from the office. Has anyone heard if they are going to give us a place to stay during the really heavy demolition work?
ReplyDeleteJane, we haven't heard of any alternative accommodations yet...the residents on the east side are still in their apartments with the scaffolding going up around them. Please come to our meeting on Saturday, since this will be a great opportunity for everyone to share information!
DeleteDear Jane, I don't know how to use the blog. I saw your name. Irvine co has done me wrong for last 5-6 yrs. Floods, flooring not replaced correctly, offers to stay in a "bungalow" while I have to move my business??? Now what is all this about coffee, sweets, etc??
Deletecount us in - we will be on board & very upset about planning. not cool!
ReplyDeleteI can't believe someone got this together... Promontory is a mess!! On east side and miserable. This is not what we signed up for and want out! No one can take Christmas away and not living like this. Good luck all
ReplyDeleteThe asbestos and mold are a big concern. These units were built in the 70's and opening walls will have devastating health hazard for us. How're they protecting us?!
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me...asbestos? My daughter already has asthma. How about a little mesothelioma with your Christmas turkey? Outrageous, even for the Irvine Company.
ReplyDeleteHi balboa...the asbestos and mold raise big questions for all of us. We understand that the construction teams and management might not know what they are dealing with, until they chip away at some of the structures. But there have to be safeguards in place to avoid jeopardizing everyone's health. That is paramount.
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DeleteWorried about the asbestos during the reconstruction?
I did some homework and here's the low down.....
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has a phone to inquire as to their knowledge of this PP's huge reconstruction. Phone contact for Orange County: (714)
484-5400. Gloria Conti
Also, (818)717-6581, Contact person: Andre Amy. Each of those phone numbers are to the EPA hotline to report and make inquiries. Asbestos falls under the Dept. of Substance Control. There are over 500 apartments in PP and so it's considered by the EPA to be a very big project. When you call, you can leave your number to be contacted. Ask if they are aware of this reconstruction job.
Not to undermine the questions, but as I understand it, Promontory Point was built in 1975. To this day, there are many products that contain asbestos that are legal to use. This link lists asbestos-containing products that are not banned:
Deletehttp://www2.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos
Regulatory history of asbestos bans:
•In 1973, EPA banned spray-applied surfacing asbestos-containing material for fireproofing/insulating purposes. See National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP) at 40 CFR Part 61, Subpart M
•In 1975, EPA banned installation of asbestos pipe insulation and asbestos block insulation on facility components, such as boilers and hot water tanks, if the materials are either pre-formed (molded) and friable or wet-applied and friable after drying. See National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP) at 40 CFR Part 61, Subpart M
•In 1978, EPA banned spray-applied surfacing materials for purposes not already banned. See National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP) at 40 CFR Part 61, Subpart M
•In 1977, the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) banned the use of asbestos in artificial fireplace embers and wall patching compounds. (See 16 CFR Part 1305 and 16 CFR 1304)
•In 1989, the EPA issued a final rule under Section 6 of Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) banning most asbestos-containing products. However, in 1991, this rule was vacated and remanded by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. As a result, most of the original ban on the manufacture, importation, processing, or distribution in commerce for the majority of the asbestos-containing products originally covered in the 1989 final rule was overturned.
See 40 CFR 763 Subpart I.
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I am so glad to heard somebody has the backbone to stand up to TIC. Count us in! No, $500 is not sufficient - it should be $1,000 per month until completed.
ReplyDeleteI have not even heard about the $500 discount? Was there a letter sent to residents about that? When does it go into effect? I agree. $500 is not enough. We've lost privacy, living space, fresh air, and now we are exposed to deadly chemicals.
DeleteThank you for creating this blog! I am very concerned about the mold and the asbestos. I am also very concerned about the noise and dust from the construction itself. I work at home and I've already been told that will be impossible. I'm not only disrupted in my home life, this is also impacting my business. In addition, I have a dog that is also a consideration as the construction starts on my apartment. Last issue is, for those of us with satellite dishes, we will have to either cancel, or suspend our service. The work on the balconies requires our dishes come down. What is the compensation for all this disruption? I've not been offered anything???
ReplyDeleteWe really appreciate you sharing this. Initially, we heard that the bungalows were going to be made available to neighbors who work from home, but imagine that it would be very difficult to move your home office to a bungalow for the day. Thanks for letting us all know about the dish service disruption...this is the first news we've heard about that, so your feedback is a big help. Hoping to see you at the meeting, and hopefully figure out some solutions to work through these problems with IC.
DeleteYes, I will be at the meeting. It is impossible to move my entire office. In addition, as the scaffolding just went up on my unit yesterday I realize I now have to keep my blinds drawn all day for privacy, and my windows closed to keep out the dust! This is an impossible situation to work and reside in.
DeleteThank you so much for creating this blog! The Construction is a huge hassle for us! $500 is NO WHERE near enough for the negative externalities they are creating, and right before the holiday season we're not able to have anything on our patios! I demand $1000 credit every month this takes place. I know that the Irvine Company is a cash cow and cares nothing about their tenants. It's time we come together!
ReplyDeleteAnyone know a very good attorney? This all sounds like a big class action lawsuit to me.
Delete-Not sufficient notification of construction
-Not enough compensation (they offer $500 compensation so that you cannot sue them. Once you accept the money, you will not be able to sue)
-Loss of privacy
-Loss of square footage of your apartment
-Loss of money if you run a business from home
-Noise pollution and air pollution (exposure to dangerous contaminants
-Emotional distress
etc. etc. etc.
AGREED! We thought it was supposed to be 60 days notice. Also, that construction is not to be done during the rainy season. We're not going to take the $500 reduction, because it will lock you in to their terms.
DeleteI was just thinking that we need to organize as renters. Thank you for getting this together. I moved in back in May with no mention of this major construction project. Like many of us, I chose to live here for the quiet and easy of lifestyle. I too work from home. Not long after receiving limited information on the project, I received a notice of a 10% rent increase on my lease after being here only 3 months! They should be cutting the rent in half, not increasing it!
ReplyDeleteAnd asbestos?! Mold?! There has been no mention of hazardous abatement in any of the Irvine Company letters, so I am very interested to receive a direct answer from the Irvine Company on that question.
I feel completely manipulate, mislead and now trapped.
Irvine Company seem to really value their reputation and "brand". Working as a group will hopefully give the renters some leverage. I look forward to meeting soon.
This is exactly what we as a community can change... its unacceptable. The math does not work. Raise rents only to reduce them for 2 months to "bandade" this mess! Keep posting & please vote!! See you at the meeting
DeleteWhere have you been - the reputation and "brand" of TIC is to be litigious and screw every tenant they can get to sign their leases. How do you think they got so wealthy? The reputation and brand is like the pirates of old.
DeleteWhat is the price of a negative externality? How do you price the cost of noise and pollution? Many negative externalities in our current economy are not priced efficiently as firms get away with these economic costs. Coase worked his entire career and won the Nobel Prize in economics for his work on how to price externalities, yielding the famous Coase theorem.
ReplyDeleteThe pollution / noise / scaffolding / lack of parking spaces are all taxes on tenants at Promontory Point. The Irvine Company has assessed the cost to be at $500 per tenant across units. The tenants unfortunately seem to be acting as price takers instead of price makers. Surely this construction must cost certain tenants more / less than the $500 offered- this is why I believe tenants acting collectively should be able to bargain for higher compensation. Surveys on the financial impact may be able to sway the compensation.
Collective bargaining may be the solution. I believe $500 is a drop in the bucket compared to the costs associated.
Please respond for more details and we can seek higher compensation. 1 month free-rent or at least 1/2.
WE AGREE!! Please keep posting & see you at the meeting
DeleteI am so glad to hear that someone organized. Just moving here 4 months ago as a single mother with a young daughter for the security and quiet surroundings --I now have scaffolding that allows anyone to her 3rd floor bedroom window not to mention having loads of workmen watch us come and go every day.
ReplyDeleteThis is a huge deal & we need to be patient but, how much is enough?? Its like one big "over dose" of construction all at once. They should work & finish one deck / small section at a time. There is no need for us to be without the use of our outdoor enjoyment for that long. Please send pictures and keep us updated.
DeleteI think this is a key issue...they did not share with us that the scaffolding would be up for 2-3 months, that we would lose the use of our decks for 2-3 months, as well as our privacy and the ability to open blinds and windows. With the mold and asbestos I truly wonder if these units are even safe. And what about the workers? What are they being exposed to? And not being told about?
Delete"ACTION IN NUMBERS" & effective leadership will be the best tool to get answers and make changes.
DeleteRemember, IC has unlimited legal counsel but, if it takes a community uprising, then thats what it takes. This Blog was developed to promote positive, constructive communication however, considering the SERIOUS ISSUES at hand, it doesn't mean we have to accept the IC way of doing business.
As residents, we have the right to; "QUESTION, ACCEPT AND REJECT WITHOUT THREAT OF BEING TURNED OUT TO THE STREETS."
These are our homes & need to stand together.
FYI major search engines provide user reviews. It would look very poorly if several hundred tenants wrote bad reviews re: Prom Point. The mere threat alone would pose as detrimental to TIC.
ReplyDeleteYou got it!!! Please keep posting & update... see you at the first meeting. TBA
Delete#twitter #facebook #instagram #socialmediakills #trustme
ReplyDeleteI am happy someone put the effort in to create this blog. I feel the $500 reduction is not adequate compensation for what I have seen so far here on the East side. I also find it odd that everything was removed off the patios in what appears to be a premature fashion. Based on the progress so far this is going to take a while...
ReplyDeleteThanks fo joining the blog! Stick with us... this is only the 1st day and we hope to create positive, constructive communication so we can work with the Irvine Company and promote change.
DeleteWhere did you hear about the $500 rent reduction? Is that per month throughout the construction? I live on the east side and don't recall seeing that in the notification letter.
ReplyDeleteYes, current rent accommodation / reduction is $500 for up to two months which is supposed to help for the time they are actually working on your place. There is nothing arranged for those that are living "right next" to scaffolding, noise, etc.
ReplyDeleteIt's a $500 rent credit per month. They offered it to us for October and then again in November, but construction has already been delayed. So I'm not sure how it will play out. If we accept the rent credit, does that mean we are locked in to their terms? I mean, our homes are basically going to be storage units, because I don't know how we can live in them during all of this. I don't think we should take it.
ReplyDeleteWE AGREE!!!! That's what this forum is for... the compensation needs to be more and they need to INCLUDE residents in the planning & scheduling.
DeleteWe need to use this to gather thoughts and set a meeting... If anyone has legal talent to contribute or knowledge regarding the law & tenant rights PLEASE contribute.
It is called "right to quite enjoyment"; not to mention fraud if they knew of the construction when you signed your lease, and did not inform you.
DeleteDoes it really constitute fraud? I found a Newport Beach government page that lists city permits. You can see that Promontory has been applying for construction permits on some units in June. That's before we signed our lease and we were not told about this project. The permits listed are for "seismic upgrades". The PP leasing agent who showed us our apartment, only mentioned that we were getting new sliding doors installed and that the work would last less than a week. We attended the IC Town Hall meeting and one of the IC attorneys told the residents that this project has been in the works for years! I am wondering if there are any tenant organizations that can help. Here is the Newport Beach city permit page link:
Deletehttp://www.newportbeachca.gov/PLN/Building_Division/Plancheck_Reports/2011/2013-07-01-03-00-15.pdf
Please know that if you take the $500 rent credit, you cannot have any kind of legal action (in this case, class action lawsuit) against TIC if we all decide to proceed in that direction. Communicate with a good lawyer to be sure.
DeleteHey everyone~ I thought I found out all the nitty gritty at the dog park but this blog this is fantastic! I am really nervous about all of this too and glad to hear I am not alone. I have had an excellent experience living here & the IC staff have always been helpful & extremely accommodating. I am trying to stay positive but the reality of this is scary.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I have been here a long time & wish they weren't changing a thing! I love my cozy place but if this has to be done, I hope they listen to us, keep the actual time in our homes to a minimum and work on another part of Promontory over the holidays.
Our IC sponsored meeting is tomorrow & will ask more questions. Thank you for putting together blog & glad it's not all about bashing.
It has to be done. They could have kicked us all out. I'm fine with a few months or more of construction to have a much nicer home. And yes, I'd like even more off my rent, but they didn't even technically have to do that, so I'm ok with the $500 off for three months (that's what I was offered anyhow). it's still by far the best place to live around here, especially if you have a view, and we all know it. Complaining about some construction noise and dust is a first world problem. lets see how they handle it, and how much of a priority they place on moving quickly...
ReplyDeleteI also just overheard two of the supervisors talking, and one was saying to the other "ok, let's get him to hurry up, there can't be any delays here, this whole thing has to go fast fast fast". So I guess that's a good sign...
DeleteWhile there are renovations needed, they should be done in a way that does not make our homes uninhabitable. On such short notice and with a scarcity of comparable housing, moving is not an option for many. IC cannot legally kick us all out and technically by law, they are required to offer a rent adjustment during the construction period. Dust and noise are minor compared to the asbestos and mold issues, unfortunately. Regardless of how "fast, fast, fast" the project moves, we still should not be subjected to health risks.
Deletehttp://www.caltenantlaw.com/Temporary.htm
What´s bothers me the most is that they are occupying our patios.
ReplyDeleteThe view and the big patios are one of the reasons for the high rent and the one reason that we moved in here. Now we will not be able to use it the way we want for a lot of MONTHS.
They empty ours for a week ago but there are still no signs of any scaffoldings and I am pretty sure that we will not see them for at least a week. WHY did they then empty the patio 2 weeks before they needed to?? Promontory is doing everything that is convenient for them, taking no consideration to us that are living here.
Justin also told me that when the scaffoldings will be there. I will have people climbing there without any warnings, which mean that I will have no privacy at all. And I have to close my drapes and that means no light and no view for a long time. And for this we will have a rent reduction of 500 USD!!!
They should be embarrassed for even suggesting such a small amount of money.
We moved in here for 3 months ago and no one told us anything.
I don´t know, but is that really legal? I would be happy to pay a lawyer to look deeper in to this.
I understand that they have to renovate, but shutting down the patio and taking away the view for such a long time is not making it convenient for the people that lives here. I asked one of the supervisors why they don´t renovate a couple of patios at the time. Then we would only have scaffoldings and people on the patio for a couple of weeks instead of moths. He told me, that is possible but it would take longer time. Irvine Company said that this should be done in 16 weeks and therefore was this the only solution.
DeleteThank you for that info & hope you are at the meeting this Sat @ 10am in the Clubhouse.
DeleteThis is issue is a priority to solve. YOU are right and good to know that a supervisor confirmed that there is a "reasonable" way to do this. IT'S COMMON SENSE.
The decision to block access to decks and preventing people from participating in Holiday traditions is UNACCEPTABLE. For most of us, our decks have become an extension to our living rooms and in essence, contributes to the overall enjoyment and quality of our lives.
Keep us updated !
I say no one pay their rent on Oct 1...an eye for an eye, what are they going to do, start eviction proceeding on us all??I would love to see the look on the judge's face when this case land on his/her desk...LOL
ReplyDeleteunited we stand, in unity comes power, and with power...victory
Very good suggestion! I believe we need some answers before we pay. It's our only leverage.
DeleteI used to live in another upscale community and when they announced construction plans they also told us we don't need to pay rent for the 3 months we had to endure, inconvenience, pollution, noise, safety and health hazards..etc
ReplyDeleteI say no one pay rent until construction is complete...
what say you>??
Let's do it!
DeleteHello Fellow RESIDENTS...
ReplyDelete1st "RESIDENT" MEETING
SATURDAY, SEPT 28
10am - Clubhouse
Sorry for short notice however, we need to get together ASAP in order to discuss issues and form an action committee. Everyone is welcome and appreciate your valued input.
Thank you very much for providing constructive, helpful comments!
If you are on the East Side look at your car in the morning and the dust. That is what we are breathing! The workmen all have masks - isn't that a hint that this is not healthy for us. $500 is an insult!
ReplyDeleteVERY good point about the workers wearing masks.
DeletePLEASE take a picture and forward...
Deleteemail: projectpromontory@gmail.com
See you at the meeting!
I have just moved here less than 2 months ago. If I had known that a project of this size that would cause so much inconvenience was planned I certainly would of looked elsewhere. I am retired and spend a lot of time on the premises. Now what do I do? A $1000 credit per month should be the minimum allowance for this headache.
ReplyDeleteWelcome & would be frustrated too! Although they will let you out of your lease, we all know the Irvine Company will not pay for relocation cost. Maybe they will assist in some way to move you to one of their other communities but it won't be at the beach. Hope to see you at the meeting & get some answers!!
DeleteThank you
Why do I have to get all my information at the dog park? ESPECIALLY in this day of high technology. Anyway, I'll be at the Saturday meeting.
ReplyDeleteI, too, work from home. I require silence in order to work. $500 a month will not cover the time/money I'll lose. Do you seriously think I'm going to move all my office things to another unit, set up there?
Then there's the matter of my furniture and personal belongings in the unit they'll be working on. I really hate people coming in and out of my unit. Mine was one of the units burglarized in August; since then I am hyper vigilant. The burglar is now behind bars but....guess what?.....he was casual labor for a moving company!
I am all for improvement and upgrading, but a saner approach to all this would have been to handle each unit as each tenant moved out. Granted, it would be costlier........or would it?
Has anyone heard about the popcorn ceilings? Will they be removed?
Thank you for posting & sorry to hear you were one of the ones burglarized. It's horrific! Aside from bikes being stolen & a handful of cars being broken into, Promontory has always been safe! "Eyes & Ears" are now open throughout the community and a shame to have to worry about such matters.
DeleteWe appreciate your thoughts about receiving information and hearing community input. Promontory is at the HIGH END in the rental market and we should have had an opportunity to be involved prior to construction.
Look forward to seeing you at the meeting and as far as the "future" of this blog; now that it's alive, the blog will continue to grow as long as the community continues to use it effectively... the potential is on-going and a great resource!
Thank you!
BREAKING NEWS: STORAGE WILL BE AT YOUR EXPENSE!
ReplyDeleteRenovation plans DEMAND REMOVAL OF ALL PERSONAL ITEMS FROM YOU DECK. The IC provided very "LIMITED" storage which has taken up more than a dozen parking spaces and evidentially, IC is changing policy for storage availability to be at a "first come first serve" basis.
According to initial meetings; the IC assured residents that they would be; "PROVIDING STORAGE, MOVERS TO HELP TRANSPORT PERSONAL GOODS TO STORAGE & ONCE ITEMS ARE IN STORAGE, RESIDENTS WIILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO BELONGINGS FOR APX. 2 MONTHS."
Removal of items also pertains to: TAKING DOWN & REMOVING ANY DECORATIVE ART WORK, PHOTOS, WALL CLOCKS, CURTAINS AND WINDOW TREATMENTS, etc. FROM THE INTERIOR OF YOUR HOMES DUE TO POUNDING.
I am over the Irvine Company's "F off" attitude! Not only did I hear about them not telling new incoming tenants about this construction from friends in the community, but they are ripping off people based on their ability to pay on their rental pricing. I sat in my apartment, my overpriced apartment, for over 6 months with both units next to me empty!!!! It was time to renegotiate my lease so I asked for a lower price and even offered to extend the term. I did this because I felt the price was inflated and I also found out they rented the duplicate apartment with same view etc, across from me for $400.00/month less. I was told "we don't do that type of negotiating" yet they did for my new neighbors!!! Worse yet, they didn't even bother to offer it to me!! The sales people knew I was wanting a less expensive deal. I found this to be very offensive. One of the long time residents told me "that's the Irvine Company". Well I too, am in agreement that $500.00 is an insult. They have big bucks!! And now finding out about the health hazards,??? They better have a good legal team is all I have to say. The holidays are my favorite time of the year, as it seems for many. I will be cancelling my guests that were planning to come to my "home" for Christmas. I can't possibly tell them it will be a "White Christmas", full of dust, possible mold flakes, and asbestos. Wow!!!! Such a disappointment from such a huge company. Shame on the Irvine Company!
ReplyDeleteALERT: COYOTE WARNING! A resident was kind enough to forward a warning that a Coyote was spotted on the EAST side at 6:30am following a woman up the hill with two small dogs.
ReplyDeleteBoth dogs were on leashes however, she was completely unaware of the danger until she was warned by a resident driving by.
Coyotes have been a growing danger and serious issues over the past couple years. Numerous cats & small dog have gone missing and to date; the Coyotes only been hunting on the WEST side.
PLEASE BE AWARE... COYOTES ARE MORE PRESENT IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS, DUSK AND EVENING.
Coyote sighted Sunday 7 AM, 09/22/2013 at the dog park. Stalked a resident walking his dogs on a leash. Last year I personally observed them running from the restaurant dumpster across the park, down Bayside.
ReplyDeleteFor those who walk on Balboa, yes, coyotes have even gone on both Big and Little Balboa Islands.
If in a pack, coyotes will take down and kill a large dog.
Coyotes are hungry and will come out at ANY hour to kill for food.
Coyotes have jumped over 6' into fenced areas [sundecks].
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but this is an important safety alert.
THANK YOU & this is the perfect forum in which to alert and educate people.
DeleteThis Blog is alive now and will continue to grow with the community even beyond construction as long as it remains to be a positive, constructive place to; seek, vent, advise, educate, question and answer community issues.
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DeleteThe coyotes are really scary and nothing to mess around with! I get that they were here first and have to eat... but, we love our beloved family pets too!!! I am devastated when I hear about missing animals and heard one horror story that they actually heard it.
DeleteMost alarming... my neighbor had a coyote come right up to the opening on her deck & it was just her legs between one coyote and her little dogs! omg!!!
I think I would put up electric fencing just to help detour them.
Electric fencing.....excellent suggestion.
DeleteZsa Zsa's Mom
I will not be able to make the Saturday meeting. Will you be posting the notes afterwards on this site? I would like to understand if we can terminate our lease without penalty.
ReplyDeleteYes, we will post notes & in fact; will post for dedicated secretary. Thanks for the idea. BTW; you do have the option to leave, no penalty.
DeleteHowever, the Irvine Company will not be helping with relocation cost and considering the magnitude of the construction and dangers, that would have been a considerate, honorable gesture.
As the quote say's on the Blog:
"A GREAT COMPANY IS NOT JUDGED BY WHAT THEY SAY BUT RATHER, BY WHAT THEY DO."
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ReplyDeleteI understand there is a dinner meeting for certain residents on the East side and a few on the West side - hosted by Promontory Point tonight [Tuesday, 09-24-2013]. Invitation only. Apparently to advise them of what is about to happen, etc.
ReplyDeleteHave any of you been to such a meeting?
Zsa Zsa's Mom
Yes....it's called: "DRINK THE KOOL-AID!"
ReplyDeleteI have seen about 10 termites on the outside of my screens today. Anybody else? I am on the east side. Imagine they are coming out of wood they are taking down.
ReplyDeleteYes, I've seen them too. On my patio screen and found three inside tonight.
DeleteOMG... we have been infested with termites for two years in a row... this project might bring all the creepy crawlers out from the wood work and then where are they going to go!
ReplyDeleteWow, I agree this project is a PIA, but there's really no other way to do it. It's just for a few months, and the really intense, loud work done right on your unit is only for a few weeks, if that. I've lived here 5 years, I just don't consider a few months of scaffolding and noise to be that big a deal. This time next year we'll all have nice quiet new windows and the exterior will look brand new. The workers wear masks because they are right next to the dust, if you only walk through every now and then it's not that bad. Wow, I thought I was a complainer of high order until I saw this. Just have some patience, and no, they can't just do units where people have moved out, that's logistically impossible. As far as how much off rent, or not pay any rent, definitely negotiate on!
ReplyDeleteWe have enjoyed it here, who wouldn't and referring this to as a "PIA" is putting it mildly. Being closed off from our deck for 7 weeks is not what we are paying for. A more realistic rent reduction of $1000 per/ month or more would help ease the pain and inconvenience of this mess.
DeleteWe are also a long time tenants and being that the rent was raised by a 7% - 8% increase for past two years, I cant believe the irvine company has the nerve to only offer $500 off rent and consider it an insult!
For the record, we have not perceived this blog as a complaining forum however, maybe you need to live in our unit for a few days and see how you feel.
If you consider the average rent increase of apx. $170 = $2040 per/ YEAR and multiple that by two years = $4,080. Now, deduct the generous $500 per/ month for two months and what do you get? AN INSULT!
The irvine company played one of the oldest tricks in the books when it comes to consumer economics. They raised the price of rent to help finance this project and with all due respect, they can afford to have impacted residents receive a minimum of $1000 off the rent and $500 for anyone having to walk through construction in order to get to their units.
Here are just some of the "little" inconveniences you are referring too: the open stucco is opened up at our front doors and really stinks! We cannot open windows or doors for fresh air and it almost 80 degrees today, my dog is going nuts and extremely nervous from all the pounding and although I am doing my best to be patient, this project was not planned well at all!!!
Basically, the irvine company needs to provide sufficient notice as to when they will be in our homes, do the work and move on! This would also relieve the storage situation and I am refusing to pay for that too!
I realize the end result will be great but, this is not well thought out and continued plans need to be re-assessed ASAP. In fact, the can isolate each area and work on a small amount of apartments versus having the entire building clear. That way, impact is to a minimum and residents are able to enjoy what they are paying for until its time for their unit to be worked on.
Granted, the project may take longer but the impact on us will be easier to deal with and the over all project will probably be received with a much more positive reaction.
Btw; do you know how much asbestos is safe to breath in? The workers are wearing mask and it is not too breezy around here and wondering how much exposure is safe. We are contacting an independent environmental firm and attorney. We should not have to move to be safe from ill-thought out planning!
Feel free to let us and are more than welcome to have the full experience. The termites arrived today and not sure what else is coming so it should give you a real perspective as to what we are dealing with.
Thank you Blog for being here to help!
wow! you said it and should add... the ic can also buy and own a million storage companies without a blink. if they want us to move our things, they need to take care of it. all of it. no extra hidden fees!
Deletethe math is right & a crock! sizing down this project would be smart & save a lot of aggravation. getting an attorney to represent group is essential. maybe one that deals with environmental or take us or as a civil suit. lots of attorneys would love exposure to take on this deal with irvine company. get this out on social media!
DeleteThanks for your well written answer.
DeleteDid anyone get a receipt for their personal belongings that are now in storage? I just realized that I did not! Therefore I have no proof if something is not returned to me!!
DeleteI have one question..
ReplyDeletewhy weren't we informed at the time the Irvine company decided to go ahead with the renovations (which I'm sure was at least 6-12 months in advance)...seems like the respectful/logical/right thing to do...NO??
seems like it. community like this needed to be handled better. I agree with scaling down the actual size of units being worked on so they can get in & get out
DeleteIt is unconscionable that they didn't let us know their plans a year ago. This wasn't an overnight "hey let's go renovate Promontory" project decision. They had tons of meetings about this. I think it's highly condescending of them to think that my privacy and living conditions [not to mention that I work out of my home 100% of the time] are not a major issue.
DeleteZsa Zsa's Mom
We live on west side and had to listen to the jack hammering from across the canal for past 3 weeks and not thrilled to have this project begin anytime soon. Moving is an option because we are not dealing with this through Christmas. Our meeting is tonight and will address these comments and better have answers.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is great. I am living on the East side with two young kids and this is a real imposition. The Patio is the Safe Play Area for them. Closing it off makes the apartment a prison for them especially in the heat. Never mind the young one's nap during construction. I have had several meetings with the leasing office and they are just stonewalling us. With the level of rent they charge the community, the cheapest of fittings and appliances they use, this place just throws off cash. You can be absolutely certain this is being paid for by us both in the past and in the future as they justify the next rate increase due to the 'upgrades'.
ReplyDeleteEvery time I meet them I find out more about the project, it went from 'replacing windows and doors' to 'seismic repair' to 'we might be tearing down the catwalks, and you won't have any access for a week'. I am not certain that is all either as it seems the 'minor patching of stucco' seems like a full blown strip and replace job based on what I am seeing.
This is craziness with a ton of skeptics! Ive been here for 2 years now and I love it. Im so happy that they are getting rid of the problems everyone is describing on here. It does kinda suck that we have to make some temporary changes to get a nicer community. IC doesn't owe any of us anything if you think about it. We are not entitled money. Any gifting serves as a generosity. We are tenants and we are replaceable. You people are loosing you minds over a large company upgrading your homes! Be rational with your emotions. We are all going to make temporary sacrifices and be rewarded with nicer apartments in the end. The apartment need some love, lets be real. You cant complain about problems if you don't let them get fixed!!! Relax and enjoy you life, think about how lucky we are, there are bigger problems in the world, take some of the energy and do something to benefit someone else not just yourself.
ReplyDeleteAmen!
DeleteAny clue how much of a financial impact this will have on those of us who live here year round AND work out of our homes? This is no small inconvenience as you make it out to be. It is unconscionable that the Irvine Company didn't give us lengthier notice so that we could opt out. Now we have to scramble.
DeleteZsa Zsa's Mom
Zsa Zsa's Mom:
DeleteI agree with you! The guy who "loves it here" is just too happy. It's obvious he hasn't met the wily coyote.
I don't think u read the above comments or website post in depth. No one has said that the renovations are unnecessary or do not need to be done. The general consensus is, everyone agreees these are serious issues that need to be addressed. However, the project can be attacked from another angle which will not impose on quality of life for so long.
ReplyDeleteYou are not the only one who loves living here or we would not be here. In fact; probably love it more because we have been pro-active regarding the concerns on behalf of residents, for the residents.
Another tidbit for thought, we have also been here a lot longer than two years & wanted to invest our time to get involved because we want to be here for many more. However, while we are here, regardless of construction, it should be a good experience and the Irvine Company should meet our community half way with their concerns.
The community needs a place to communicate and this has been a very enlightening blog. In reareality, until your building is being pounded on for weeks on end and you have no use of your outside living space for 3 months, you have no appreciation for those going through it now.
Please come to the meeting on Saturday @ 10 am & listen to other residents. We hope to work together in the "best interest" of the community.
Re: law; There are laws to protect tenants which include accommodation for "major renovations." Meaning; alternative living, financial compensation or breaking the lease. They also have many other laws that pertain to these types of issues which are being researched.
Thank you for your perspective.
From: A Resident of Promontory for Project Promontory
Very well said. Some of those rights are discussed here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.caltenantlaw.com/Temporary.htm
There's no asbestos in the stucco, just dust. It's noisy, and yes, you'll have to stay off your patio for a while in this "heat". Puhleez, people, this is not that bad. First world problems, that's for sure...
ReplyDeleteWhile "first-world problems" is a catchy phrase...those of us at the IC town hall meetings have been informed that there is some asbestos particulate in the walls. It is not just in the joint tape around sliding doors and windows. Since it is in a friable state, the vibrations from jackhammers will disturb it to some extent. In addition, not being able to open doors and windows for most of the duration of work is especially problematic since most of the units do not have central air. This will create a breeding ground for mold and mildew within apartments. This is hardly a mere inconvenience and the tenants that are expressing their concerns are most definitely not elitist whiners, as you imply. Please take the time to educate yourself before making broad-spectrum generalizations.
ReplyDeleteLooks like a baby put this website together. Go spend some time picking up some dog poop and make everyone happy. See ya at the pool. Anyone need a beer?
ReplyDeleteGee, if you're so good at building websites, why don't YOU give it a shot?
DeleteThere's a idiot in every group. Have another beer
DeleteLighten up
DeletePromontory Point Management said...
ReplyDeleteDear Promontory Point Residents,
We appreciate your active interest in Promontory Point and value this discussion forum as a way for you to voice concerns. First, we would like you to know that the majority of work is in response to resident suggestions to improve the experience here at Promontory Point. We realize this is your home, and as with any home, renovation is needed from time to time. We understand your concerns regarding possible asbestos and mold. Please be assured that we will follow industry best practices as we make improvements, including proper containment and remediation of any construction materials. We are confident that the upgrades will be a dramatic improvement for all our residents by enhancing the safety, performance and appearance of our buildings. Our goal is to communicate openly and honestly about upcoming improvements. A series of town hall meetings is under way for residents of the first group of apartment homes undergoing construction. Additionally, in the next few weeks we plan to hold community wide town halls for anyone who has questions or concerns. These meetings are designed to provide timely, firsthand knowledge of the upcoming work while clearing up any misinformation that may be moving through community. Alternatively, we will be hosting town hall meetings by groups throughout the project, should you choose to attend one that’s closer to your building’s start date. Of course, we are always available to address any of your concerns and welcome the opportunity to partner with you as we progress through our community enhancements.
Sincerely, Fred Geraghty, General Manager, Promontory Point
September 25, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Hi Fred,
DeleteI am glad to see that you are joining the discussions.
“At Promontory Point, it is our goal to provide every resident with the finest rental experience possible. And to minimize the inconvenience to you”
After reading these sentences in most of the letters we have receiving from PP I have 4 questions:
1.How did Irvine Company come up with the 500 USD reduction?
2.Why don´t you focus on one section at the time, minimizing the time of inconvenience for the residents.
3.Why did you empty our balcony, weeks before needed to?
4.How am I suppose to “love where you live” when I will have no privacy, view and fresh air from my patio for months?
Thank you, Fred...this blog is quickly becoming a valuable conduit for resident interaction, and the overall reception seems favorable. We welcome Irvine Company's participation, as we work together to find a solution to the many concerns our residents are voicing. It is unfortunate that TIC didn't take the initiative to provide such a forum for the community...this fosters a collective perception that we are just not getting the full story.
DeleteAfter gaining a better understanding of the scope of this project, it is surprising to hear that some of the construction is in response to resident suggestions. Typically, people want apartments upgrades such as new appliances, granite countertops, hardwood flooring, etc. Maybe even some new gym equipment or nicer landscaping. We don't know of many tenants that ask for seismic retrofitting. San Francisco apartment communities have undergone massive seismic retrofitting. We are hoping the problems that those tenants face, do not come home here to Promontory. Specifically, will TIC pass through the cost of these retrofits to tenants...in the form of monthly rent increases?
We appreciate that you are following industry best practices regarding asbestos and mold. It might alleviate some resident concerns, if reports from an independent environmental service company are made available to Promontory Point residents. The town hall meetings are important to our community, and the perfect venue to share this information.
While there is always some degree of misinformation when there is a lack of communication...this could be minimized by straight talk. Much of the misinformation is coming from the management office, unfortunately. Residents are not receiving consistent information, or much information at all. The community wide town hall meetings will be a good way to alleviate this issue.
It's a fine goal to communicate openly and honestly about upcoming improvements...especially with prospective tenants who are signing leases. We have heard one story after another, from new residents who have moved here, even as recently as a few weeks ago. Not one of them was informed of this massive project...rather, they were only told about getting new sliding glass doors.
We love where we live, for now. It would be a shame to see a deluge of negative online reviews for Promontory...warning prospective tenants away from our lovely community. So many of us have made this our home for many years. Hopefully we can work toward making this a more positive experience for all.
Dear Residents,
DeleteTo follow up, as noted above, we will be holding the town hall meetings to address any of your questions and concerns. We hope that you will all be able to attend and bring your questions with you for us to answer so that we can engage in an open, two-way discussion. We will be hosting these meetings on 10/14, 10/17 and 10/22 at The Island Hotel. Specific details will be delivered to your apartment home through this weekend. We will also create a Frequently Asked Question document this month encompassing key questions, including those you’ve posed to date, which we will post on the official Promontory Point community website [www.myrental-living.com – “My Community News”]. We will distribute hard copies of the FAQ for those who do not frequent the community page. Once completed, this will be a living document where we will update with additional questions and responses as they arise – updated both online and via hard copy. Please send your questions directly to me by phone at 949.675.8000, by email at fgeraghty@irvinecompany.com or visit the Leasing Office between 8:30 AM and 6:00 PM. We will convey all future official updates via the town hall meetings and through the www.myrental-living.com website.
Sincerely, Fred Geraghty, General Manager, Promontory Point
Fred, answering frequently asked questions is an excellent idea.
DeleteThree people are moving out of my building because they have no idea what will happen in the reconstruction and how it will affect them. One works from home.
Another family moved in 6 mos. ago and was never told of any reconstruction.
Any information you can provide will be appreciated.
We are going to the meeting they are having but went to residents meeting and found out more real information there from people going through this. They have collective input are getting group plan together - check it out
DeleteI am in complete agreement with the above letter to Fred. What was the reason for removing all of the balcony furnishings from the East Buildings. And why were we not given a receipt for our belongings? What if they are damaged? We have nothing to show what was even taken! And the Holidays are coming up. Are we not going to be able to enjoy decorating our homes over the next few months? Will we not be able to utilize our front porch/door areas and have no use of our balconies until January? I also hear we may have tenting inside of our small apartment floor space when windows are replaced? Is this going to be going on in the East Building still by Thanksgiving? Christmas? I would appreciate answers to these questions. Most of us have our Christmas decorations stored outside of the apartment complex, and will be wanting to know the time frame on this. And are we going to see rate increases as soon as our apartment is done? These are a few questions floating around the grounds you may want to address. Lastly, when do we get our balcony belongings back? There was a termite on my wooden dining room table today too! Yucky! I see you are tearing off roof wood at the top of the stucco near the roof tiles. Are you guys replacing ALL of the outside stucco of the entire apartment complex? We are very confused!
ReplyDeleteThe construction is not going to bother me. In fact, I welcome it to drowned out the extremely loud jumbo jets that fly above our heads every day. They wake me up everyday and then zoom on and off all day. I can't take that any more. If I move away from Promontory Point it will NOT be because of the construction. It will because of the loud jumbo jets flying overhead. It is 2013 and we still have extremely loud jets! Why hasn't someone invented much quieter more fuel efficient jets? You people are all complaining about, "Oh the construction is going to cause me to be unable to use my patio!" I cannot use my patio now because of the impending doom of the jumbo jets flying overhead! Now, if the Irvine Company could fix this problem while they are doing their construction work, I will stay at Promontory Point forever!
ReplyDeleteWow....I'll take the jets flying overhead anytime, compared to a jackhammer.
DeleteThis made me laugh! The jets are so loud - maybe we should band together and stop those too!
DeleteAnd let's get those rowdy sea lions, while we're at it! :D
DeleteAnd what about those noisy loud-chewing termites!
DeleteI hate when they chew with their mouths open. Get rid of those too! (I'd love to see a termite tenting of PP. That would be the 8th wonder of the world.)
......and the nominees for best attack with lack of intelligence are......oh wait they are all a-non-y-mouse. Spelled so for a reason. It you don't get it, among other things, oh well. Frankly scared, little mice....I don't give a crap! Any ways, the only hilarious thing that has come out of the construction is this blog. Really has brought the worst out in people. Then again it has given some bored people something to do. Promontory Point yes, PP for short.....oh now see I can't stop laughing. Who wants to live in P(ee)P(ee)? Thanks for the laughs neighbors I will not ever know.
DeleteRebecca, I don't think anyone is attacking you...perhaps teasing you a bit. From what I've seen, there are positive and negative comments about the project on this blog. It is called "Project Promontory", after all. Maybe you could start a blog about the jumbo jets?
DeleteEverybody, play nice.
DeleteI just moved to Promontory this past weekend. At no point in time was I told of the upcoming project, nor was it visible when I toured the two units I looked at. I was also not told of the incredible cigarette use of the apartment below me, which is utterly unbearable). So I strongly disagree with the letter from Fred asserting the open communication being available from the management and his staff. They certainly did not hit me with "straight" talk prior to my moving here.
ReplyDeleteExcellent point & maybe something to pursue. We are 100% with you regarding the cigarette smoke and this may be an exaggeration but, we would almost rather endure construction at any level than the deadly second hand smoke!
DeleteWhen they light up which, is several times a day, we cant even have windows open because the smoke floats in and smells like a frat party in our place. Even more irritating, we deal with it when walking to our apartment.
LA county has gone the extra mile to adopt very pro-active smoking laws as it realtes to second hand smoke on balconies and common / public areas like hotels, condos & apartment balconies.
Although Newport Beach has also implemented many new laws over the years such as; no smoking at the beach, public parks, sidewalks, boardwalks, etc. However, they have no one enforcing those laws which means, its up to us.
Its also a shame the Irvine Company has not adopted such laws for their residential neighborhoods, especially for the pool. Personally, I work all week and look forward to time at the pool but find myself being gagging on the smoke. It may seem ok because its outdoors but the fact of the matter is, the smoke lingers & then floats up to the apartments above.
I get smokers have their rights but, the right to smoke is not superior to the health of myself, family or animals. Most importantly, second hand smoke is highly toxic and aside from the stinky stench it leaves in your hair, curtains and upholstery, its maddening to have to close windows and hold your breath!
We all have rights and as far as the pool, there is no reason those who want to smoke cannot get up, go outside the gates and sit in a comfortable cushy chair for their smoking delight. But, the fact Irvine Company has banned smoking in their cafe areas such as; Java City, Petes Coffee and Bristol Farms, they have not done all the can to protect everyone from second hand smoke emitting from balconies and pools.
I walked on the east side of the property this afternoon and noticed scaffolding in sporadic locations. I understood from the meeting on Tuesday night that one of the things they would be working on was the "catwalks." I don't recall hearing anything about blocking the stairways from the garages on the street to the apartments one flight up. If one lives above his garage, how is he supposed to access his unit?
ReplyDeleteWe have a lot of older tenants here whose ability to climb up and down stairs is very limited.
Was this an isolated incident? Perhaps to remedy some stucco? Not sure what other reason there would be to erect scaffolding on that staircase.
The area that I am referring to was roughly around unit number 214 East.
Here's some very useful information:
ReplyDeleteOnce the workmen start working on your apartment building, you will not be able to move your furnishings out. It'll be too late. A letter from PP will alert you that they're going to take your plants and other furnishings off your patio. Although some have retained their BBQ and a patio chair that can be moved inside during the day.
Exterior comes first: scaffolding, removal of wood, covering of all your windows (no access to light, no fresh air, no view) replacement and installation of windows and patio doors will be from the exterior. When that is completed, workmen start on your interior to retrofit for earthquake. Everyone is required to move out of their apartment for at least one week to replace the walkways that lead into your apartment. Greystone will be reconstructing the interiors. They are currently working on the east side of PP. Four months from beginning to end. And that's not counting any problems along the way.
Thanks for letting us know what to expect. What do you mean about reconstructing the interiors, please? I thought they were doing the seismic work from the outside.
DeleteMy understanding is that ALL work is being done from the outside.
DeleteAs far as "Everyone is required to move out of their apartment for at least one week to replace the walkways that lead into your apartment" - this is the first I'm hearing about this and I'm curious as to your source. It doesn't sound realistic at all.
Take before and after photographs of your plants & pots, patio furniture, potting tools, etc. Include the date. That way, you'll have your own accounting.
ReplyDeleteI was told by the guard (Dee) who monitors the plant area that the plants are on a 3 day per week watering schedule, Mon. Wed. & Fri. Residents sometimes visit that area to make sure their plants are doing well.
First world whining gone wild.
ReplyDeleteYou live in one of the nicest places in the world, and can't handle a few months of some noise, dust, and construction? If this were going to take a year I could see a problem. When it's all done it will look so much nicer. I do think they should reduce rent further for the months that we are affected, but I strongly agree that they should be doing this and I think they are going as fast as they can.
Project in each area is apx. to last 2 1/2 months and whole plan through early '2015. That's if there is no rain... if we have a heavy rainy season and the scaffolding is in front of you, the project will be delayed and could take a lot longer.
DeleteThere are also laws in place to prevent heavy major construction from beginning in the rainy season. However, since they have started, its one loop whole they won.
You guys better not do your rain dance this winter.
DeleteNo one is complaining about the need to have these things done. They DO need to be done. What we're angry at is the short amount of notice given. We were denied the opportunity to make other living arrangements.
DeleteIm confused you can break your lease so you can go somewhere else- i lived in a private rental before this and i got 30 days to move out after the owner wanted to sell-that is short notice.
DeleteI think the above was written by a TIC spokesperson or someone who has been in their cool-aid.
DeleteOriginal poster here, nope, live here for 5 years. I think they're moving as fast as they can, yes the project will take years, but not at your unit, just the whole community. They'll be done with each section in a few months at most. I feel bad for the West side who will have their contruction in summer, when you really want your patio and windows open...
DeleteSummer in Newport is AUG - NOV. If you have lived here long enough, even though the calendar says June, its gloom and even well into July. Many nights and mornings in sweats and sweatshirts. People are baking hot right now and will be this time next year. THIS WAS BAD BAD PLANNING! How hard is it to supply AIR CONDITIONERS AND PURIFIERS? We are closed up with the rats, cockroaches, termites, mold, asbestos, lead paint, dust and nothing better than to stir the mess than a little santa ana wind! Plan was not set on behalf of residents and although had to be done, could have been done in smaller sections. GET IN & GET OUT! Its not ok to take my deck and living space away for 3 months up here.
DeleteI agree with the commenter above: first world whining gone mad. I will gladly take a little inconvenience for a few months in return for a rent offset and a dramatically improved infrastructure. We can't wait to have our windows replaced: one of them is actually rotting away due to galvanic interaction with the building foundations and the soil. It's taking the stucco along with it, too. Dangerous and ugly for sure. As for the interior work, I'd prefer to live in a building WITH earthquake reinforcement than without. We lived just a few miles from the epicenter of the Northridge quake. I can just imagine the effects of one of those on this complex! I don't want to die in an apartment building pancake.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that we all live in the best location in the world here at the beach. We enjoy a very affordable rent, given that we are surrounded by mega-million properties. So please, appreciate that we have a good thing going, take a deep breath, and before you know it, the construction will be done.
Hmmm...for somebody that doesn't like all the "first world whining", you sure spend a lot of time on here complaining about it.
DeleteYep thats for sure. This is a bad plan & needed more thought before attack. Windows are also bad choice...who wants green window tint and beige colored frames to manage!
DeleteI moved into the east side just a few weeks ago. I was made very aware of the upcoming construction and the rental compensation for it. I still chose to move here in the midst of it because it is beautiful! I love walking around the community and to balboa. My father was an architect and i grew up in a house constantly changing- you get used to it. It saddens me the negativity in the site. Everyone here seems so friendly and that is not what i see here.
DeleteThen you're the exception to the rule. I've talked to several people who moved in in the past 60 days and they were told nothing.
DeleteMany of the residents who live here are only here part time, so it probably won't affect them that much. But then there are those who have their ONLY office inside their homes. Do you seriously think you can maintain a business with that kind of noise going on? Impossible.
Just wait - after the renovations you will get the shock of a 30% to 40% rent increase. Fortunately, I am here for only 6 months and when I moved in 4 months ago there was no mention of this construction. Certainly they have known about it for months and months.
DeleteAny comments on the meeting today? Couldn't make it and would love to know.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
About 4-5 people volunteered to be the liaison to the IAC office. Email addresses were collected from those in attendance [maybe 40 people?] so that we could be apprised of outcomes. Petitions were circulated.
ReplyDeleteI stopped in at the residents meeting and there are about a dozen or more. They are taking this very serious and gathering information including, all these comments. I was impressed at the energy and was not a bunch of people winning and complaining but trying to solve problems.
DeleteI wish more people would step up instead of complain because there is nothing to be gained. This job was made because according to management at the meeting, the "budget was approved" and the owner, Mr. Brynn, wanted it to start now.
The execution, safety and regard for residents is up for debate and thanks to the community representatives, we might be able to make the experience better.
Has anyone had problems with mice lately?
ReplyDeleteYes... A resident from the East side reported a mouse in his apartment at the meeting.
ReplyDeleteThat's Mickey. Minnie will be there soon.
ReplyDeleteHello, I was not able to attend the meeting but wanted to know if there will be minutes circulated? I would like to be included in any important resident communication regarding the construction. I would like to sign the pettion as well if it can be e-mailed, I can scan it and send it back to whomever is in charge of this. Thanks so much. My e-mail is:
ReplyDeletejordana.deguire@gmail.com
Hello everyone... Thank you for your support and participation! The "resident" meeting was very productive and will posting an update tomorrow. We will try to get notes & updates posted asap in the future and hope to answer all your questions.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to participate and have even just a little bit of time, volunteers are appreciated! Please email: projectpromontory@gmail.com
Thank you very much
Resident of Promontory
WARNING: SANTA ANA WINDS have been predicted to blow in late in the week by the Weather service. If you are worried about toxins, dust, particles or other allergens being disturbed, you may want to consider purchasing an "air cleaner" for use in your home.
ReplyDeleteElectronic air cleaners are on the list of priorities to be addressed with the Irvine Company, however, unfortunately we will not have this accomplished by this weekend.
Resident of Promontory
If the liaison committee needs a database of email addresses or address listing, contact me via this website and I will build one with data you supply.
ReplyDeleteZsa Zsa's Mom
Hi... yes, we need help. Can I meet with you & have an email list started from the last meeting. Please reply: projectpromontory@gmail.com
DeleteWe are also having an RESIDENT ACTION MEETING this Wed. @ 6:30 if you can attend.
Thank you for your help!
I've sent an email to the projectpromontory@gmail.com email address. Hopefully they will give you my email address privately. I am unsure if I'll be back in time for the Wednesday meeting. Email me and we can discuss.
DeleteZsa Zsa's Mom
Thank you! Privacy will always be respected. I would offer my place however, it is much too loud. We appreciate you help and hope something can work out to help meet your needs.
DeleteResident of Promontory
I sent the email database to your email address associated with this website. Please, at the next meeting, have people review the list and make corrections. Some of the writing was difficult to decipher.
DeleteGet ready kids! We just received a rent increase! Our lease is up at the end of Dec., and this whopper "gift" is just so timely!! Second increase in two years, almost $500.00! We really tried to have a good attitude about this construction, but this is the final straw! We will be moving, after 15 years.
ReplyDeleteThats infuriating & especially after 15 years. They really don't appreciate good tenants do they? The rest of us are feeling it too & have had it with increases. Thats even more reason to get some of these issues negotiated.
DeletePlease come to the meeting on Wed. Even if you cant sit on the committee full time, we need volunteer help to get signatures.
Meeting is this WED @ 6:30 in clubhouse... Hope to see you there & help make a difference!
I will be there! I have just really had it. I was trying to be the calm, cooperative voice of reason, but, this is just disgusting! They should really be ashamed of themselves. I don't know how these people look at themselves in the mirror.
DeleteHigh rent? Are you kidding? Go to La Jolla or anywhere else on the coast with views and a location like this and the rents are at least 30% higher. Go ahead and move out, you'll never find a place like this again. Unless you didn't have a view, in which case I don't know why you live here anyway...
DeleteSince rent is technically due, I was curious if anybody has had any luck getting more than $500 off rent. Is this something the liaison committee is taking to the property (I was unable to attend meeting)?
ReplyDeleteJust curious how other people plan on handling rent issue. I have heard the best way to get larger rent rebates is when the residents band together and complain.
Thanks.
Really??? No notice of any $$ off rent.... just an increase :) Aren't they just lovely people... Put you through construction hell, and RAISE YOUR RENT JUST BEFORE!!!
DeleteHow nice--Now there is a WOOD CHIPPER OUTSIDE OF MY FRONT DOOR! DEFINTELY RESORT LIVING AT IT'S VERY BEST!!!!!!!
DeleteWe are working together as a group in order to address the rent reduction allowance and a few other key issues. The fact is; we have to act as a group.
DeleteThere is a meeting on WED. 6:30 in the Clubhouse. We also need volunteers to help with signatures if you have time.
Thank you & hope to see you there!
*NEW POST PUBLISHED TODAY
ANYONE WANT TO PICKET?? I'M READY! THESE PEOPLE ARE THIEVES! I'M READY TO MAKE A SIGN, AND LET POSSIBLE RENTERS KNOW THAT IS PLACE IS A TOTAL RIP OFF.
ReplyDeleteHi... we understand and hear your frustrations. We already have a committee together and working towards positive change that will benefit residents.
DeleteIf you can help with petitions, we need volunteers to take them around the community. Even if its just an hour, we appreciate anything we can get.
Thank you
Hello & Thank you for your comments... a new post was published today and look forward to hearing from you.
ReplyDeleteRESIDENT ACTION MEETING: WED. 6:30, CLUBHOUSE... even if you are not on the committee, everyone is welcome.
ATTN: RESIDENTS: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE CONTACTED VIA; EMAIL, PLEASE SEND YOUR ADDRESS TO:
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Thank you
Corporate Greed at it's Finest!!
ReplyDeleteEvery rent increase I've ever received I've raised a ruckus and got it reduced to just about half.
ReplyDeleteOne would think they'd value long-term residents who pay their rent on time. You don't suppose they're trying to get us out so they can upgrade and sell as condo's, do you?
Thats it & will lose!!! All bets are on. They will price themselves out of the market. You watch. People are not stupid. This used to be a great place but, not anymore. We have lived here twice, in 2 different apartments. How are they going to maintain 500+ long term renters by charging insane rates? No matter what they do, it will never be the ritz or bay club resort. Its no small place and a lot of these places look like caves. You can have a place with sun or a cave.. you pick but either way, you pay! we r pissed and outta here
DeleteThis used to be a great place to live... has always looked low budget, but at least the office staff had personalities and actually cared about the residents. You said it! This is NO Bay Club! and this is DEFINITELY NOT Resort living! Smoke and Mirrors! Has anyone seen the ads on Craigs List for rentals here?? in Bold they say VIKING Appliances, blah, blah, blah... they really try to promote a high-end resort community. It is sad... it couldn't be further from the truth! We have to fight tooth and nail to even get a halfway decent dishwasher here... they shove a used one at you... and honey, it isn't a Viking!!
DeleteHa! This is still the cheapest place on the coast with views and a location like this. I know, I've looked. Recently...
DeleteI agree with the above poster. And the more people that move out, the better. More parking, and with all the vacancies rent will stay lower...
DeleteDoes this settle the refund/rebate issue for reconstruction?
ReplyDeleteI received a letter today stating, "Also, due to the inconvenience associated with the completion of this project, we will be offering you a monthly concession of $500.00 which can be deducted from your November 2013, December 2013, January 2014 and February 2014 rental payments. (Note: Please be sure to adjust monthly re-occurring payments should you currently have automatic monthly payments set-up)
The letter is signed by General Manager, Fred Geraghty
ReplyDeleteRe: question of settlement for the rent reduction question. Unfortunately no, that is the original number and is what residents are fighting to change. The feeling is; that small amount is an insult for everything folks are dealing with.
DeleteHas anyone noticed how much more manicured the landscaping is on the West side?? They even have speed signs posted. The East side is the red-headed stepchild! This place looks like a slum the way the grounds are maintained... it is embarrassing!
ReplyDeleteSlum? You're serious? Give me a break. First world whining. This place is awesome. So what if a few bushes aren't maintained perfectly, it's 40 years old and has a view of the ocean. I didn't move here for a golf course manicured lawn...
DeleteI have a wonderful idea! The upper management of the Irvine Co., and the office staff here stay in one of our lovely units during the renovation, and endure this resort lifestyle just like the rest of us! I say share the love! Bring your dogs and kids too!!
ReplyDeleteI agree!
DeleteSo I've been watching this blog for a while now, ever since I got the original notice that it was started. As someone who's been here 5 years here's what I'm seeing: A lot of people here just want to stick it to the Irvine Company, whom they see as rich and uncaring. Yes, many of the complaints are valid, if I had a young baby I was at home with this would be a real issue, but how many of those are there? 1? 2? I'm in the thick of this construction (they are jackhammering and tearing down bannisters as I type) but so what? They seem to be really moving as fast as they can. Once all the demo work is done then it will be much quieter and in a few months it will all be done. They even gave us $2000 off rent for the year. They don't have to do that. In fact, if they wanted to, they could just choose not to renew any of the leases and you'd have to move out. In less than one year the place would be empty, they could construct and rip out the insides of the apartments as they want to, and then charge a lot more in rent. Let me tell you, I've looked in places like La Jolla and a couple of others along the coast that are similarly nice, and the rents for anything decent with a decent view are 30% or more. This place is still a relative bargain. And no, they won't just automatically raise rents through the roof, it's a simple numbers game, if they can, they will, but there are exact formulas for how much they can raise it legally and market wise. One of the nice things about the high rents is that it keeps the riffraff out. Would you like much lower rents? You'll see who moves in then. Everyone needs to calm down. This will all be over in a few months, and we are lucky to be able to afford to live here at all, most of the world can't. Sure I'd prefer free rent during the whole construction process, but that ain't gonna happen, is it? So I for one am ok with how this project is proceeding. It HAS to be done, the place will be MUCH nicer because of it, and it will ONLY be a few months. Look around you, be happy you can afford to live here, go for a walk to Balboa, look out the window, breathe the ocean air (even if it does have some dust for a little while, people further inland breathe smog all day, every day). Stop being such whining rich people, and go give the workers (who probably look at us jealously as we stay home and drive our fancy cars) some sodas and say "Thank you for working so hard and sweating for less money than I make so I can live in a nicer place when you leave"...
ReplyDeleteI think you grossly underestimate the number of those who work solely from home and who have small children.
DeleteTell you what: YOU do the math. Take whatever you think my annual income is and divide it by 3, then subtract $2000.00 from the result. That's how much I will lose because it will be impossible to concentrate.
I agree with the last comment! We are not whinning, believe me! I am not trying to get free rent, or screw the Irvine Co. What's fair is fair. Most of us moved here for the quiet "resort community" that the Irvine co. promotes. The reality is far differnt. Not just now, during construction, but on a daily basis. They rent to kids who pile 10 deep into party houses on the ground floor, and make everyones life a nightmare. Up until recently there was no security. People break into the pool late night by jumping over the fences, have sex in the jacuzzi and trash the place. They will not put cameras in the undergound garages for security... we have asked, several times. We are not whinning... it would be very refreshing if we could actually enjoy what we were sold (resort lifestyle), and pay our hard earned money for. If I wanted to live in delerict city, I would move to downtown HB. We expect a higher standard for what we pay, and the Irvine Co. should do what they promissed when we moved here, and provide it.
DeleteI think the original post should have left a name versus "anonymous"... Sounds like an IC employee. We know they are on the blog and some of these that don't have any complaints are definitely drinking the kool-aid. If ur gonna leave something worth saying & that has some reality, leave ur name.
DeleteNahh, I'm not stupid, I don't want people to know that I'm calling you all a bunch of rich whiners. I have many beefs with the management, but this construction isn't one of them. It's needed, badly, and it will get done. I like the idea of security cameras in the parking lot and pool areas, the kids jumping the fences and party dens are a huge PIA...
DeleteYour information is incorrect
DeleteYou say, "And they (TIC) won't just automatically raise rents through the roof, it's a simple numbers game, if they can they will but there are exact formulas for how much they can, they can raise it legally and market wise."
HERE'S THE TRUTH:
www.fairhousingoc.org
Q. How often and how much can a landlord raise a tenant’s rent?
A. Because there is no rent control in Orange County a landlord can raise a tenants rent as much and as often as they wish, so long as they give proper notice of the change in terms.
I think the original poster was trying to point out that the Irvine Company has a specific formula and set of criteria they use with respect to raising rents.
Deletethis morning i walk out and there is a food truck 3-4 golf carts and a car parked in the red zone in front of my house. this is exactly what they said would not happen. Traffic was difficult to navigate on foot with my dog. I understand they have to fix somethings but at least remember that I live here and would like as much routine left as possible.
ReplyDeleteThe other morning 3 small trucks parked in the guest parking on the west side. One of the trucks did have supplies in it. Not the others. I told Fred.
DeleteNext time I am going to take pictures with my cell phone and send them to Fred. Every time, every day.
So I did take Pictures, would love to know where to send them....?
DeleteIn an effort to reduce spam, I'm breaking the email address apart......you'll figure it out.
Deletefgeraghty.......at........irvinecompany.com
I would like to suggest that all contractors, who are able to park on the property [the workers get bussed in, we're told], stop by the office and show their license to the office staff and get a special parking permit. It doesn't have to be fancy.....just something uniform, in a specific color, that says something like "Authorized Contractor" and would be placed in the vehicle's dashboard. We would then be able to distinguish which vehicles are parking without authorization. [Most of us know which resident vehicles are parked in a given area, so anything else is either a contractor or someone who shouldn't be parking there. True, there may be guests of residents parking on the property.....but how many of us are going to be inviting people over?]
DeleteSend all your ugly photos of a clogged parking lots to the L.A. Times, Orange County section. That should make management sit up and take notice.
DeleteI sent photos to address on site & they posted.
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Does anyone have a lease coming up for renewal? Did they give you a "Lease Break Addendum" which addresses breaking the lease because of the construction? What exactly does it say?
ReplyDeleteMy lease expires at the end of this month. I was told I would get such an addendum delivered to my front door though I haven't seen it yet.
Would you believe that there's one construction manager who only listens (that's his only job) to complaints and tries to soothe the nerves of residents. 50% of the residents do not complain. There's one woman who lives here who constantly complains about everything the construction crew does. I hope I don't turn out to be the second woman. I hate when that happens!
ReplyDeleteWho is it? What does he look like? I want to buy that guy a beer, he needs one...
DeleteHis name is Mike and he can easily be spotted on site since he walks around with a clip board. His opening line is, "how can I help you?"
DeleteMike should carry an old sofa on his back and tell the complainers to lie down and spill their guts.
DeleteNot sure if you have eyes & ears? One woman? There is a whole committee and community that has been turned upside down with this nightmare. Just wait until you have a jackhammer on your wall all day.
DeleteI see a community with cameras and using this blog to voice their frustrations. My neighbor had to leave town to stay at a friends house because it is too loud too work. Another had a mouse and maxed out by heat.
You cant expect people to be closed up and wear blinders to whats happening but seems you have. Most residents that are in construction are really feeling it! The contractors are hired for this job and is their industry of choice. We agree with one commenter that suggested offering cold water & it is nice to be considerate of those working after all, they are just here to work and earn a living. But, this plan is the worst! We are sick of the extreme noise, traffic blocking cars and contractor trucks in our parking spaces!
This place is inhabitable and they need to move us out a section at a time so they can do this job safely. No one has tested the air quality of open walls and do not have air conditioners / air cleaners as discussed in the meeting.
We are going to the next meeting being held at the hotel but figure this is what we should have had before they started jackhammering our walls and just serving the kool-aid as one person said. We have cracks on the interior from the vibration and if you think this is just a bunch of winning, you need to live in our unit. No air, No relief and the noise is similar to a torcher chamber during the day.
NOT WORTH ANY AMOUNT OF RENT!! $500 off is an insult. Did they really expect this deal not to get noticed? The Irvine Co wants everyone out so they can remodel the interiors and jack rent up. Forget the remodels, they are jacking rent up anyways. Everyone I know here has had rent hike for past two years and new lease has another.
NOT COOL IC
Think of the bright side of the reconstruction... if you want to go on a 3-4 mo. vacation, your outdoor plants will all be taken care of for you. Whatadeal!
ReplyDeleteThey will? I didn't hear that. I heard that the residents have access to water their own plants.
DeleteYour plants will be removed from your patio and placed in a secure holding area in the outdoor parking area where they will be watered 3 days a week.. Don't worry about your plants. Gardeners will water them for you.
DeleteWalk or drive to the far end of the east side of PP and you'll see the fenced in area with a chain and padlock .......they even have a guard watching over your plants. So go ahead and plan your 3-4 month vacation.
What about our animals? They cant handle that level of noise and vibration. Cat is under the bed & closet and not a healthy way to spend the day. She didn't eat for two days and I am really upset. Life is too short and this construction cant take a 1/4 of my year!
DeleteHere comes the hot weather again and all my windows are open. I work 100% from home. It is my ONLY office. I've had a very stressful week with deadlines and Friday was a real bummer. I couldn't make one of the deadlines due to all the stuff going on. For your reference, my building is midway between the dog park and the leasing office. They’re not planning on starting on my building until mid-February, but I’m getting the full “benefit” of all the noise already.
ReplyDeleteUnable to concentrate, I took my dog for a little walk to the dog park. Big mistake. She freaked out at the two trucks parked by the stop sign. Two guys were directing traffic in either direction. A cluster of lots of activity. The poor guy in the garbage truck wanted to get by. Only one vehicle at a time could make it through. He barely made it through with the construction trucks parked in the guest parking zone.
When they arrive, one of the drivers of a large truck (delivering scaffolds?) would honk his horn several times, as if to announce his arrival, "Hey, I'm here, come get your stuff." Seriously? They don't use cell phones for that? (Yo! Fred! Tell them to cease with using the horns!) Even the Paramedics don’t use sirens on the property, so honking should be banned.
Yesterday they were trimming palm trees. OK, I get it, that is just a routine thing. But it’s noisy. The good side was that it temporarily drowned out the jack-hammering at the building on the west side of the dog park. Which was worse? Don't know. Couldn’t work, client was mad, so I popped a couple Tylenol and took the dog over to Balboa to escape. Left via the extreme west property exit. Wasn’t about to wait in line to get through the construction zone.
Between the big construction trucks, the garbage truck, the tree trimming truck.......oy vey. Yeah, yeah, I'm annoyed and complaining. I missed a critical deadline. Client isn't happy. I'm not happy. Dog isn't happy.
Ok, this is a first for me and would have needed more than tylenol ! I dont work at home but dropped by for a quick lunch on Friday and have to say, it was like a war zone. I couldn't get to my parking place because of the big trucks in the way and left. I cant imagine anyone sticking this out. I will be looking in CDM or Laguna this weekend. I know this has to be done but seems ill-planned and out of control. I don't understand why they don't handle this in a more strategic way. Please update for next meeting for residents only
DeleteNot sure where to leave my comment? New post or old? I am baking over here and need air. Someone brought up air conditioners and air purifiers at the meeting and being that that our health is being exposed to the unknown "trace" elements as they said, why don't we have something protecting us? Seems promontory just doesn't care and all about numbers. There was a guy at the meeting that has been here over 20 years and said the construction should be fine & had been through it. I don't think this type of major construction happens all the time and after researching on the internet, this is considered to be major construction and owners are required by law to provide accommodation. Does someone know anything more? We should have rights and not sure what to do. We need air!!!!
ReplyDeletePlease help - I heard the Irvine Co. said they would get air tested? How & when? Do they have to use an independent company and what about safety now? I am freaking out with all these construction ramps in my windows and I know we had recent break-ins. What about burglars jumping on this metal jungle gym on the building? Shouldn't there be a guard posted at each section of the buildings on watch? I am really scared and don't know if I am going to stay because its too much. My cat is a wreck, I am taking her to stay at a friends and is very displacing. Office isn't open till Monday & I have to work. Can someone help, need answers. Thank you
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